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Infidels (1983)

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Average: 4.2 (18 votes)

Album Info

Bob Dylan -- Guitar, Harmonica, Keyboards
Sly Dunbar -- Drums, Percussion
Robbie Shakespeare -- Bass
Mick Taylor -- Guitar
Mark Knopfler -- Guitar
Alan Clark -- Keyboards

Produced By Bob Dylan For "Wreck of the Old 97 Productions" and Mark Knopfler for Chariscourt, LTD.
Recorded By Neil Dorfsman
Engineered by Josh Abbey
Recorded at the Power Station, New York
Mixed and Remixed By Ian Taylor
Digital Engineer, Frank Dickinson
Mastered by Ian Taylor & Bill Kipper at Masterdisc, New York

All Vocals Bob Dylan except "Union Sundown" -- Bob Dylan and Clydie King

Comments

Infidles

5

Sly and Robbie great rhytm duo !

Now were talking!

5

It's back to excellence with this album by Dylan. Jokerman is a song where every line is epic, where every line transcends meaning. Plus the music video is awesome. The rest is also good, Union Sundown can be used to talk about our present economic system, and neighborhood bully is also anexcellent song. Sweetheart like you is my last favorite on this album, but every other song is a gem

Infidels (1983)

5

My favourite tracks on the album are:

1. Jokerman
2. Man of Peace
3. Neighborhood Bully

The January 2007 issue of 'Mojo' rated this album Dylan's 23rd best album - I consider it to be his 5th best album. Amazing album!

I think that the songs on this album are well chosen and the track order is good.

I really like the song 'Blind Willie McTell' - but I think it would be out of place on this album.

I think that Dylan sounds really powerful, dominant and masculine on this album.

I think that this album would be a great place to start for people new to Dylan's music.

i have always loved it

5

apart from neighbourhood bully, this is one of my favourites,obviously joker man and sweatheart like you are instant classics,but also the last 2 tracks, i and i, and dont't fall apart on me tongiht are 2 off my favourites

i have always loved it

5

apart from neighbourhood bully, this is one of my favourites,obviously joker man and sweatheart like you are instant classics,but also the last 2 tracks, i and i, and dont't fall apart on me tongiht are 2 off my favourites

i have always loved it

5

apart from neighbourhood bully, this is one of my favourites,obviously joker man and sweatheart like you are instant classics,but also the last 2 tracks, i and i, and dont't fall apart on me tongiht are 2 off my favourites

apart from neighbourhood

5

apart from neighbourhood bully, this is one of my favourites,obviously joker man and sweatheart like you are instant classics,but also the last 2 tracks, i and i, and dont't fall apart on me tongiht are 2 off my favourites

apart from neighbourhood

5

apart from neighbourhood bully, this is one of my favourites,obviously joker man and sweatheart like you are instant classics,but also the last 2 tracks, i and i, and dont't fall apart on me tongiht are 2 off my favourites

apart from neighbourhood

5

apart from neighbourhood bully, this is one of my favourites,obviously joker man and sweatheart like you are instant classics,but also the last 2 tracks, i and i, and dont't fall apart on me tongiht are 2 off my favourites

One of his best

5

Yes that is right, to me this ranks as one of Dylan's best. Its not Desire or Blood on the Tracks, nor is it Freewheelin' nor Highway 61. But after those icons, this is it. If one thinks of 'the Jokerman' as the Devil and listen to Man of Peace and License to Kill from the view of a Christian, then this album is Bob's last Christian rock album. But if you listen for the pain of love in Don't Fall Apart and Sweetheart it is clearly lovesick secular rock. So is this Dylan's last Christian album or first back inro the mainstream? And then what to do with Neighborhood Bully -- the first and only time I have ever heard Bob take a pro - Israel stance in his music? So to me this album will always be an enigma. But, isn't that part of why Bob is great? He makes an album likely just to earn another couple million and here I sit asking where it fits into his theology. I almost think he would laugh at that. Truth is this is an album that makes me sing -- I can not lsiten to it without singing the songs along with Bob. One of his best.

Nothing wrong with it the way it is

4

SLUMDOG
It's really good the way it is.
The songs that were left off it were probably omitted as the sound and style doesn't fit with the bulk of the songs that were included.
The out takes are fantastic but I don't think the album would have worked with them on it.

I happen to disagree with

No Rating

I happen to disagree with most that the 80s was Dylan's worst decade. In fact, it was his most experimental period. He tried to update his sound, perhaps with minimal success, with albums such as Empire Burlesque and Knocked Out Loaded. Infidels, however, is an album that could have been much better than the official release. It's a complete wonder why songs such as "Blind Willie McTell" and "Angel Flying Too Close To The Ground" were left out of the release. Other songs that are terrific include an early version of "Clean Cut Kid" (Far superior to the Empire Burlesque version), "Julius and Ethel" and a wonderful "This Was My Love." With these included, Infidels had the makings for a terrific double album. The way the album is currently ordered works fine as the first half of that album. The 2nd half might look like this:

Julius And Ethel
Blind Willie McTell
Foot Of Pride
Death Is Not The End
This Was My Love
Tell Me
Someone's Got A Hold Of My Heart
Lord, Protect My Child
Clean Cut Kid
Angel Flying Too Close To The Ground

Of course, we obviously have much more material available in the vaults for future Bootleg Series.

I would like to give this album 4 1/2 stars, but the format doesn't allow for that, so I gave it 4.

If It Had "Blind Willie McTell", Then It Wouldn't Be Infidels

No Rating

Yeah, I'll admit Blind Willie McTell, Foot Of Pride, Lord Protect My Child, and Tell Me were all very great outtakes as proven by their release in 1991, BUT, if they made it on here, then we wouldn't regard Infidels as everyone does today.

As my mind paints the imagery for every song on here, it's usually daytime darkness (if you know what I mean) I envision throughout the 8 tracks. "Blind Willie McTell" is nighttime darkness and perhaps that's another reason Dylan left it off in the final sequence. AND, it probably would have overshadowed the other songs. God knows what we'd all be thinking of the other tracks now if Blind Willie and maybe Foot Of Pride were included. Maybe Jokerman would have been regarded less as well as I And I and Dont Fall Apart On Me Tonight. Those songs as great, too, but the outtakes that showed up on The Bootleg Series Vol. I - III would have easily overshadowed the songs on here that we all respect today.

Now, I haven't listened to Infidels all the way through for a long time, but really, I've only found two songs that haven't exactly stayed in my mind as favorites. Neighborhood Bully's one of them. That guitar riff at the beginning is gorgeous. Sets the mood perfectly, but the 80s production inserted into that one kinda ruins it and the lyrics for the song haven't been my favorite. Still listenable, though, to these ears.

The one song though that I've just never come to love is Man Of Peace. Strong lyrics there, no doubt, but the 80s production doesn't do the song any justice. So so much for that.

All in all, a 3.5 out of 5 for Infidels, but you still gotta respect this album. Many fans consider this to be the last hoorah for Dylan until Oh Mercy, but I don't really think so. Only Real Live has been the big blow for me out of all of Dylan's 80s releases.

Go out and buy this album and give it a shot once all the way through. Remember, Dylan's 80s were not very bright and the story told about him in Howard Sounes book Down The Highway reveals A LOT more than many Dylan fans know. Depression was a-settlin' upon him much in that decade and this album sure gives us that raw feeling. Probably better than any other 60s or 70s artist could in 1983.

One-Of-A-Kind

****Restored Version

4

According to the Clinton Haylin
book Recording Sessions , this
was the original sequence :

Side One

Jokerman
License To Kill
Man Of Peace
Neighborhood Bully

Side Two

Don't Fall Apart On Me Tonight
Blind Willie McTell
Sweetheart Like You
I And I
Foot Of Pride

Ive constructed a cdr of
this version and far prefer
it to the released .

Also check out the
Sanctuary Reggae Version
of I And I !

what a pity

3

It's well mixed, well performed, but again, something's mising. I can't help adding me up to the wide disapointment. Blind Willie McTell is one my favourite Dylan songs. The songs included are good enough to make the album the third best of the 80s, but it's a rushed work.

Podría haber sido mejor

5

Tengo un cariño especial a este disco, es el primero que me compre cuando se publico. Me gustan las ocho canciones, pero podría haber sido una obra maestra de incluir algunas de las canciones descartadas. El sonido es poderoso y limpio, pero las canciones de este disco incluidas en bootleg series 1-3 no tiene el mismo sonido, quiza incluso prefiera este último. En cualquier caso, en mi opinion, uno de sus diez mejores discos.-

i cant lie. this is my

5

i cant lie. this is my second favorite bob dylan album. the first is streeeet legal. infidels is so powerful an album u have 2 sit down when u listen 2 it. i guess the time between 1978 and infidels was the time i had a lot of fun on tour with bob dylan. it was amazing 2 see all the peeps walking out then scratching their heads and saying, "hmmmm i better give that another listen." five years later.

i came 2 respect bob dylan tremendously during this period,
he was fighting 4 his life and managed 2 stay true 2 himself.
he was not an act, altho he had the best act in town. his power was nothing sort of sexy. and i was amazed by it.

Infidels

3

I agree to the above - this could have been better with the right (out)takes on it - so now that we have got them elsewhere its easy to put it together for ourselves - thanx to sony

Foot of Pride, etc.

3

I think this album is a decent work. Jokerman is a great track, but some of the songs leave a little to be desired. However, it is incomprehensible that Foot of Pride and others were left off of this. I truly believe that if the right songs were included, this would have been hailed as a masterpiece, and that we never would have seen the prolonged "slump" that led to a lot of Dylan-bashing.

When I hear the live verson of Jokerman from Woodstock '94 or listen to Foot of Pride, it makes me wish that he would choose to include a few more songs in his live rotation. Some really good songs don't seem to ever surface.

Dave

could have been one of his greatest

No Rating

Infidels is a good album which could have been so much more. Lyrically, it is outstanding, as good as just about anything he ever wrote. In terms of songwriting, it is very strong. The downside comes in terms of the song selections and sequencing, and to a lesser degree because of the production.

It is rumoured that Bob went into the studio at the last minute and made some changes which may have detracted from the final outcome. In my mind, Man of Peace should have been left off in favour of Foot of Pride, althought their has been a rumour that Bob didnt actually write the song!

Apart from this, Lord Protect my Child should have been on the album(perhaps in place of Union Sundown), albeit with a re-recorded harmonica solo. The drums on License to Kill are too high in the mix.

In my opinion it would have been among his finest albums if it was sequenced like this:

Jokerman
Sweetheart
Neighbourhood
License
Foot of Pride
I and I
Lord Protect
Dont Fall Apart

now thats a great album!

The return

3

Many consider this Dylan's comeback after languishing in the Gospel world. It's fine enough, I suppose, but I might say that it's alittle overrated. Considering two of Dylan's Gospel albums are probably better, I might not say that this is as great as some claim it to be.

Uncomplete album

4

It seems to be a uncomplete album, maybe because of the outtakes we've known, maybe because it's a short album and maybe because we hear here a great Dylan that doesn't arrive to that masterpiece level. Jokerman andSweetheart like you seem to point to that, but then the album loses itself in an identity chrisis. There's still License to kill or I and I, and a powerful Union sundown, but it never seems to arrive where it could have arrived.

Infidels

3

While no work of art should be judged on the basis of what it isn’t, no album is more defined by what isn’t on it as much as Infidels. At first this was a good thing, because what isn’t on it are any songs with an overtly Christian message. Except for “Man Of Peace” which everybody chose to ignore (maybe the blatantly pro-Israel “Neighborhood Bully” canceled it out). Another outtake, "Foot Pride" was also equal in its obscured lyrical references to religion, but if "Death Is Not The End" and "Lord, Protect My Child" were included - Infidels may have been perceived as another Shot Of Love-style hyrbid of born-again and sceular. As it was Infidels was initally praised, but as reports surfaced of even greater songs being recorded and not released on this record, its reputation sank. While there are rumors of superior versions of almost every album Bob recorded languishing in the vaults, from the most beloved (the original pressing of The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan, the New York version of Blood On The Tracks) to the most despised (the Argentinean misprint of Down In The Groove with “Important Words” on it) none have suffered so much in comparison to what it could have been as Infidels. And it’s not hard to see why. Not only is “Foot Of Pride” easily the equal of anything on that album, but “Blind Willie McTell” is as superior to the rest of Infidels as “Knocking On Heaven’s Door” is to the remainder of ­Pat Garrett & Billy The Kid. Although, I suppose it could always be worse, the few good songs that did make it on to Infidels could’ve been replaced with “Julius And Ethel” or “Death Is Not The End” or “Lord, Save My Child”. In fact “Blind Willie McTell” and “Foot Of Pride” manage to be some of the best things on The Bootleg Series 1-3 on which they finally do appear. “Blind Willie McTell” is now played live far more often than anything that did end up on the album (which didn’t even get the same sort of historical revisionism that added “The Groom’s Still Waiting At The Altar” to Shot Of Love). But, what of the actual album that was released? “Sweetheart Like You”, “Don’t Fall Apart On Me Tonight”, “Neighborhood Bully”, and “Man Of Peace” are all about as unremarkable and pedestrian as anything on Planet Waves. “License To Kill” actually is a good song, but I had no idea until I heard Tom Petty singing it at the 30th Anniversary Celebration. This version does it no justice. Regardless if you agree with the politics behind the rather trite and simplistic lyrics of “Union Sundown” it is actually fairly good rocking tune from a musical point of view. The only track on here that can go toe-to-toe with “Foot Of Pride” (if not “Blind Willie McTell”) is “I And I”. I have no idea what it’s about, but I like it. I don’t know why “Jokerman” was picked to be the single, and is still used in all the subsequent compilations (Greatest Hits Vol. III, The Essential Bob Dylan). The whoa-oh-oh-ohs that Bob sings before the title are not only completely off, which isn’t a horrible or surprising sin for Bob, but it doesn’t even sound like he’s missing the same notes each time. Maybe he’s going for that kind of vocal extemporizing I don’t even like in the R&B singers who can really do it. Whatever it is, it ruins the song for me. And like the rest of Infidels, it’s a disappointment.

Enigmatic Genius

4

This album is certainly one of the most controversial and misunderstood albums of Dylan's career. In fact, several months after this album's release, Bob Dylan remarked: "I don't think I'm gonna be really understood until maybe 100 years from now... There's all these interpreters around, but they're not interpreting anything except their own ideas. Nobody's come close."

The following exchange in Rolling Stone (Issue 394, 1986), has been very influential in my interpretation of the lyrics of Infidels and all of Bob Dylan's later albums (the comment in brackets is mine):

Interviewer: You have said that the function of art is to lead you to God. There were three gospel albums: Slow Train Coming, Saved, and Shot of Love, but your last two records [Infidels and Empire Burlesque] have taken a different slant.

Dylan: Well, it all depends on where you come at it from. I come at things from different sides to get a different perspective on what it is I'm trying to focus on. Maybe all my songs are focusing on the same thing. I don't know; maybe I'm just coming in from all sides.

Interviewer: The difference between the gospel records and the recent stuff seems to be that earlier you were laying down the law.

Dylan: Every so often you have to have the law laid down so that you know what the law is. Then you can do whatever you please with it. I haven't heard those albums in quite awhile; you're probably right.

...That's about as definitive an interpretation as you're likely to get from Dylan.

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5

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