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Hello Fratos

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Carmelo Ramón Barrios Sánchez

My "Tell Tale Signs" that I bought is a two CD box. I am with You for your critic to the other member. I don't like torrents, I don't like to rober music of musicians friends. It'll never pass for my mind don't pay my Bob Dylans albums.

My friend, I need the CD 3. Please, can You help me? Where could I get it?

Greetings from Canary Islands; Spain.

HELLO

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Carmelo Ramón Barrios Sánchez

Hello. I love very much "Tell Tale Signs" whole, but I am very exiting with "Someday Baby" and surprised a lot with the versions of "Dignity". I think this is an album that all fans must to got. Really a MASTERPIECE.

Greetings from Canary Islands, Spain.

american treasure

i love the new bootleg set, think i didint really get into dylan until i started picking up teh bootleg sets, guess its funny to me that dylans outtakes and "unreleasable" material is better then a lot of other artists premiere cuts. bob is an american treasure. over 45 years of consistently good music? how is that possible? sure hes had soem hits and misses, not ALL of its is great but most of it is, and at 66 hes still putting out great music ( modern times) say waht ya want ya cant take away the happiness hes brought to so mnay people w his music

Great Set: Outrageous Price

The deluxe version of "Tell Tale Signs" is fantastic! The third disc just as chock full of wonderful material as the first two. The alternate tracks are great, some will replace the album versions for me as the "definitive" versions ("Mississippi" in particular, when I can figure out which alternate I like the best). The unreleased tracks are welcome additions to the canon, and the live tracks are out of this world. The two books included are very good and hard covers at that. I could've lived without the vinyl single.

That said, it really is drastically overpriced. It would be a good value at $50 or so, but $100+? Way too much.

I hope Bootleg Volume 9 will be a live (multi-disc) collection of Bob and his current band! I love the new songs, and the new arrangements of the classics!

they should have a warning

they should have a warning lable
on the CD:
not 4 the faint of heart

Not Dark Yet But Getting There.

Tell Tale is a nice collection, reflective. While others aren't sure what to make of it, I'm simply glad it was made.

tell tale signs disc3

tell tale signs disc3 is free on the web

... It's a shame the way they make me scrub the floor...

You´re right. Dont BUY this three cd box. The masters of war have fixed the price! SHAME ON YOU.
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How old is Bob Dylan?

After listening to Tell Tale Signs I can not stop asking myself how old Bob Dylan really is. He changes his age with each song, in every concert, with every look... and any of his years has a lot more than four seasons.

Now here is Autumn and I have been walking along his rivers through these 3 records, and I am happily surprised to realise that, after all that rain, there is the rainbow that takes you to reach the stormy Dylan's planet, which is now in Springtime again.

Time is a mystery, so is Bob Dylan...

;)

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"...I'll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours..." www.youtube.es/Soniags

The Original

I s'pose it 's a not easy to understand, 'specially if you think about it

HELLO

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Carmelo Ramón Barrios Sánchez
Hello Sadi, please to meet You. I am new in the Community and I don't know how I do for introduce myself and I choosed replyed to You. Well this is not a reply is a comment for the members know me. I am 40 years old and a Bob's fan since I was 13, when my english teacher played "Blowing in the Wind" in the classroom. I am waiting for my "Tell Tale Signs" via Mail and I am very surprised with this release. I wish all the fans enjoy the album.

Greetings from Canary Islands. Spain.

price

i intended to buy the 3rd disc but when i saw the price i was really put off. i got to work for my cash and they are askin a days pay. somethin wrong somwhere.

Just to put in a good word

Just to put in a good word about the folks who made the singles book.......

http://bookmarket.ning.com/profile/RareCoolStuff

"RareCool Stuff just completed conception, design, and eco-green printing/mfg of a limited edition photo book for Bob Dylan and Sony/BMG Music."

It's good that Bob is supporting small business, and I'm happy RareCoolStuff got the account, and I'm sure they've taken pride in putting the book together.

Sadi, it's been great talking with you as well. I'll be looking for more of your blogs and upcoming interviews here, and your books out in stores.

Now about the price.... OK I've said enough. Like Ian had mentioned, hopefully the 3rd disc will be available at a reasonable price, whenever......

AND... I'm all for celebrating the life and work of Bob Dylan! I can see him touring well into his 80's. It's good to be here while your making music, Bob, and I'll buy your next new cd if it's under $100!

Now I've gotta go do some illegal downloading.......

Tell Tale Signs

I wanted to add a positive reaction of this CD. I also heard a portion of the proceeds will be going to charity. So I bought two one for me and one for a present for my daughter. The special edition (one with the poster) is pricey but I thought a new piece of clothing this month or the thrid CD, I opted for the thrird CD. I will get much more use out of this than the new piece of clothing. This I can use each day if I like and will never go out of fashion. The music as well as the lyrics are diverse. He has done it again and I truly admire him for this. I will not give a blow by blow account as many people have already done this and very elogantly I might add. So I just say it is well worth the money. Sincerely Gail

Tell Tale Signs

Wow, there certainly is a lot of commentary to go around here. Don't know Sadi, but she's obviously a Bob fan like all of us, and I think it's great that we can all share our opinions.

I am picking up the CD today. Sans the controversey about the third disc and everything else, I say we celebrate the man and his music well we still can.

Sadi, rock on, and everyone, let's keep the conversation going and the music alive!

Dave

good car to drive after a war...

hey Love,

I don't blame u for wanting to buy ANYTHING at a reasonable price! damn! hey, i'm w/ you! You can buy the two disc set at a reasonable price (right?) I'm just nutty, so wanted the CD book and vinyl and the book by Ratso etc. but then, I own every damned bootleg of every show of all time and Eat the Document and the long long long Renaldo and Clara and you take it from there.... This is absolutely NOT bragging. Quite the opposite. I probably need some sort of support group, lol....

The Caddilac commercial is interesting to say the least. Phil Gounis, also a journalist and a brilliant guy (who I"ll be running a really interesting interview with here on this site and on my site as well, so look for that soon), he noticed the same thing I did. The woman w/ the dust blown up in her face and the hard rock music. It's just freakin' weird and I'm sorry, but I don't care and nor should I that Dylan makes a buck on iPod or Vick's Secret with Lovesick or Someday Baby. I work for all kinds of places myself and don't always agree with their politics etc. - that's true, I think, for all of us, so who are we to judge. We can't hold Dylan to some epic standard that we don't hold ourselves to, so you and I agree. And besides which, frankly, in my life and I speak for myself, he's make a helluva lot more of a difference thru his writing that I feel I have thru mine - maybe that will change. As a PUBLISHER I have made some dent by pubishing some great authors and will continue to - so that's what I do and I care very deeply about that. And as a poet, I know that my work has reached people and that is coming out (my second book, in FRance, UK, and US) in 09. I'm not going to be Dylan - but one hopes that you make some difference in the world, otherwise, you may as well quit and tell me, what is the point of playing the self-deprecating, "i suck i suck" game when others do that for you anyway? No point. So you and I are pretty much on the same page, but as usual, I'm digressing.

I thought the choice of music for the SUV commercial was interestng also; the whole thing just struck me as so macho and sorry, but sexist. and no shrill feminist I (feminist yes, but not shrill). You get the point. Anyone, like my friend Phil, on examination, found the commercial offensive and disrespectful.

Hey, make bux however u can. I'm all for it... But I see no need to disrespect anybody in the process. I"m not trying to be a pill here, but i think you have to draw the line somewhere. That's all.

As to the CD again - nobody holds a gun to anyone's head and says "BUY THE THREE CD DELUXE EDITION OR ELSE" - so it's personal choice and that's fine. It may be offensive to some, the price, but i've covered why it's as much as it is and I feel strongly that the price, given the complexity of the printing, is quite justified. Seriously and I'll stand behind that statement because publishing is what I do every day... books, etc. inside and out, from editing, through printed and final copies. I used to run a letter-press in my former boss's David R. Godine's barn! Amazing... such a trip and such an artform. BD should do a limited edition letter press book of a set of his lyrics: the best ones. About 60 pages or his poetry. You know, like five or three hundred copies, signed and numbered and the rest printed the regular way. The letter-press ones would be INCREDIBLE.

Lord knows, I'd run the press (as you likely know, a letter press is fed sheet-by-sheet, the type is set by hand and with tweezers), the rollers and hand-inked, and then you feed the sheet and handcrank the wheel to drive the paper thru while ur foot operates a pedal to keep it going. It's rather like a little ballet. I did a small letter-press piece (well, several) and they're incredible.... letter press work is collectible, worth the price b/c it increases in value, and is just a thing of beauty to behold and touch. It's not "just another book".

Anyway, i've gone on and on and I apologize. I like talking with you...

Be well.... and be in touch anytime,

Sadi

Check out the viva-pictal

Check out the viva-pictal process.......

http://rarecoolstuff.com/RCSvideo8001.html

I guess you were right......

And who knows what Bob's deal is? I honestly don't want to know. Apparently Larry Campbell once said there is no "why" in Bob's world.

It's interesting, the mythology that he's created, this world of Bob that is as enigmatic as the music itself... and as confounding.

Of course he said in M&A that sometimes it's about what things "don't mean". Look for the nightingale's code in the Dreamin' of You video... Bob's making this all up as he goes along... and maybe he just enjoys messing with people on occasion....

I just want to buy his cd's at a reasonable price!

And I'll have to watch that Caddy commercial again, to pick out what you and your friend are seeing there. Someone did tell me the music in the suv is by some modern band, hhmmm... I'm not sure, they're one of those new hard rock bands.

interestingly

... as you end, and rightly, he's "no-one's Messiah", and I quite agree. Tho some may argue otherwise. I agree with you. I don't think he wants to be anyone's Messiah. As to the Cadillac commercial, an interview I recently did which will be running here with Phil Gounis, we discuss that exact commercial and it rather annoys both he and I and confuses slightly for it shows Dylan in the car with the music playing ( I don't know the music: it doesn't seem to be his, is it? or am i wrong? sorry...), but in the ad, he drives off, tears out, quite literally spitting the dust in the face of a woman in the background... Now that just seems WRONG to me... What is that about?

Maybe I'm looking at it all wrong... But I'm just not feeling that. I'd rather he stick to what he knows - producing music, etc. and fine if he makes bucks w/ ads or whatever. I'd probably do the same thing, but when the ad is so so so disrespectful, I think, and to women, and I don't think it's nitpicky for Phi or I both to notice that and independently and maybe others noticed it too, then that is something right there. I mean, wtf are we to make of that? Anything? Nothing?

I realize this is a total non sequitor to anything we were discussing so is anodyne to the conversation, but your comment made me think of it, so there you have it....

Thanks for engaging in conversation.... it's always interesting... ; )

cheers,

s.

bootleg series vol 8

yes it is expensive but i reckon in a few months disc 3 will be able to buy as a seperate release

Thank you for sharing all

Thank you for sharing all that about printing and publishing, most of it was news to me. And I do tend to be somewhat argumentative. Again, it isn't my intention to challenge you personally, or somehow make a mockery of your review. I enjoy your writing.

And I think Bob is worthy of defending, especially online, where people have been known to complain about him. Hence, the apologist comment.

The bathrobes? All that stuff has an intrinsic value, so to speak, in so far as anything that says "Bob Dylan" might be worth more than something that doesn't.

I could have bought a plain silver zippo. I wanted one with a Bob Dylan logo. The book of singles isn't just full of expensive-to-produce colorful paper, it's full of Bob Dylan.

My contention here is with the complete BS8 series being sold as a package of items unrelated to the music; an expensive package that includes the elusive 3rd cd as a reward for buying a bunch of other "stuff".

And I don't think it's about the money. I think it's about Bob Dylan flipping everyone the bird. The records, cds, books, they could have all been sold separately. Especially the records. He could be selling the records at a premium.

And btw, I've almost talked myself into buying the package... because I want the records, but I'm resisting out of principal.......

IMHO the BS8 Series Deluxe is about Bob Dylan deconstructing his image. We should all realise he's no one's hero, messiah, or spokesperson. Personally, I would prefer it if he sold women's underwear or Cadillacs. Now excuse me while I go melt back into the night.....

money / publishing

publishing i do know - i don't know a lot or claim to, but the business of printing, that i do for a living, and like the scrapbook the singles book, my guess would be that it cost a lot to print and put together as did the CD (three CD) cover because of the die-cut involved. More if it was printed, for color purposes, overseas, I didn't check the packaging to see where it was printed. The best Italian printer is Mondeadori, they often do fine art books and complicated die-cut works. BD may have used Hong Kong, which does a lot of die-cut printing. It's harder to find die-cut printers in the US, tho I am sure they exist, I just don't know of any who do really complicted work like the Scrapbook, but again, I need to check who did the actual printing (not the publisher, but the *printing and the country of origin and what kind of press they used*). Thing is, for this kind of work, they usually need to use a single sheet-fed press, not a web-press, and that is very labor intensive. You may know all of this, in which case I apologize, because I mean no offense at all.

It's only that I have worked in publishing for my career as both a writer and a book publisher and so know everything from when a manuscript comes in over the transom to stuffing jiffy bags to running a letter-press, setting type by hand, sheet-feeding, hand-binding books (making books, seriously, because that's important to know how much effort goes into one book), to the fine art of spin and web design and usability. I also write books, but that's another matter entirely and like any author, when it comes to my *own* work I am totally unreasonable and suffer from "authoritis" and am not immune from the usual disease of needing to be hand-held thru the process etc.

But I don't mean to go off-point and I don't think I'm an apologist at all... how do you mean that? I appreciate ur other compliment tho... : )

But seriously, my review is very sincere. I've written about Dylan very honestly and agreed and disagreed w/ many things he has said. He once said that publishing was a "dignified and honorable" business. More so than the music business, he said. Absolutely not true, I wrote. You can see it on my site on Tant Mieux (link is on this site). Publishing is just as incestuous, just as corrupt, has just as many "groupies", just as much celebrity, etc etc, you name it, it's the same f-ing deal. I remember - I hate to date myself, but I was there in NYC in the eighties working for the larger houses and part of the whole freakin' scene and it was the same scene with the same people... same clubs, same people: lots of crossover: editors, musicians, all at Palladium's VIP room hanging out. I was THERE. So Dylan was wrong about that. HE may be treated differently w/ Chronicles and that's no surprise but then, he's Bob Dylan, so no wonder. Duh. I thought it rather, and surprisingly, naive of him to say that. But again, you can see my piece on that. So, I wouldn't say I am an "apologist". Or maybe I misunderstood. I dunno.

But back to printing - listen: I'm not arguing that one buy the three disc set. I'm simply saying that for what it cost them to print it, based on my cost estimate and print bids, they will break even IF people buy it. With the Scrapbook, I do not think they broke even b/c I saw it remaindered and was able to buy copies at a very steep discount and I did. That tells me that the remaindered copies did not sell and they did not recoup their money on that book: i don't have their invoices, am not privvy, so can't say for sure, but that's generally what it means when a book is remaindered. If I am wrong, someone in the *know* can correct me (officially in the know). I'd be glad of it.

But anyway Love Monkey, I'm not argumentative at all - so don't take it that way please - please please please - I just want to explain where I'm coming from here b/c I do know printing and publishing and I want to make it clear that IF one wants to understand the pricing for the set, it's really about the printing and packaging. Yes, you could buy a freakin' bathrobe or whatever, but now we're getting silly. Nobody needs that, you're right. And sure, nobody *needs* a book of the singles covers either, I suppose. But then, do I really *NEED* all of my original vinyl Dylan records when I have them on CD? Do NEED all of my original 45 singles? Do I NEED all of the bootlegs I have? Do I NEED Eat the Document? No, I don't. Do I NEED "Renaldo and Clara", etc etc. You get the point. Nope.

I don't "need" any of it. I want it. There's silly, and then there is what moves you and what is aesthetically pleasing and creates a real emotional response and to me, this book that comes with the set, is just a beautiful object. A bathrobe with an eyeball on it is stupid, likewise a coffeemug, etc etc. But my vinyls, my 45s, my bootlegs, etc and all of the above.... I wouldn't trade them for the world. Nor would I sell or give away any of the original articles from the sixties (original interviews in Rolling Stone, Playboy, etc etc, clippings, and so forth). It's all a question of what is meaningful to you.

A bathrobe branded Dylan is not meaningful to me. Let's not get silly. We both are older than that now.

In all respect....

s.

Some people rob you with a fountain pen

at least, the digital equivalent.

I guess it was getting late

I guess it was getting late when I made that last post. I was thinking of The Bob Dylan Scrapbook you mentioned, it includes a collectible paper doll.

And speaking of context, it's certainly fun and worthwhile to have some Bob Dylan stuff as mementos and keepsakes.

There's something for everyone, eye logo mouse pads, coffee mugs.

And truly, I like the idea of Bob deconstructing his image, and maybe defying the expectations people have built up around him.

But when it comes to the music, it should stand alone on its own merits. It should be be made available for sale as it always has been, without having to pay into some larger scheme. imho

I don't doubt the singles

I don't doubt the singles book cost a lot to put together. And if that's your thing... sure, there are certainly people who would enjoy owning it, ok. I don't know what anyone would do with it, but your right, it does look pretty cool.

There's a market for terrycloth eye-logo bathrobes, too. But Bob isn't asking me to buy one so I can get the third cd. On it's own, bs 8 deluxe isn't too overpriced- if you consider all you're getting. I completely agree with you.

But damn it all, I just want to hear disc 3. I want to buy it, on it's own, without any collectible Bob Dylan paper dolls or other potential clutter I don't want.

If you want to know the truth, I bought a zippo from the Bob store. That's where I'm at. At least it does something.

Anyway, you do seem like a lovely woman, and I have a lot of respect for Bob Dylan apologists. :-)

hey love

hi love -

how you feel is understandable. i have a lot of rare bootlegs and would even offer them to Sony etc. if they wanted to use some of them to put together some songs that are also excellent for a CD, which i proposed at one point - i'm sure you have a lot of the same bootlegs... but i think, tho one never knows, i have pretty much everything at this point. This is their "best of" and I really think it's truly excellent as a work and the book of forty five covers is just graphically really beautiful as an object. Maybe I've just worked in pubishing too long, but I see the appeal of it as a design book and as a work of art in and of itself, like any art book, graphic art. It's interesting to see the covers that range from promos to foreign editions etc. In terms of pricing, it's steep, esp. in this economy, but i will say that in defense, if one is needed, printing this sort of thing isn't cheap. There is a lot of die-cut work on the cover book, the printing is excellent, the booklet of the three CDs is also die-cut and having done art-books/graphic art books etc. I can tell you, t'aint cheap. It's really prohibitively expensive so the cost of goods has to be worth it at the end. It's like the Dylan Scrapbook, which must have cost a fortune to produce. I personally love that book as an OBJECT as well as a book, but that said, I sadly saw it on a remainder table for selling of a small fraction of what it was worth, so I don't know - maybe they took a loss on that book. I hope not. I totally get where anyone comes from given the cost - my only goal was to review it etc. I'm not here to push it and so forth, other than to give my honest opinion of it. That's it, and hopefully, help people make an informed decision w/ all the information that I have in front of me. But again, I can understand - tho, like you, I hate the idea of Bob not getting his due, but you make a valid point when you say that for many of us, we have been here all along buying his albums and CDs and books and etc etc. It's really an industry - concert tickets are really expensive as we all know... But I don't know anybody who works for free. His rate is the going rate pretty much and again, in terms of this one - Tell Tale Signs - i think the cost is so high b/c the cost of production was so very high. That's my take, anyway.....

Cheers, and keep well,

Sade.

Third disk

I wrote a blog about the third disk. I decided that it is a rip-off. I will see Bob live and have the two disk set for just as much as the "Limited Edition" set.

I wanted a recent bootleg album - but the only "Limited Edition" I should have picked up was LIve 1975 with the DVD.

My favorite songs - after listening to the NPR stream - are the songs that are "new". There more of them proportionally on the third disk.

I'll grab them on a torrent. If it was an additional $10-$20, you might have got me... but over $100! B.S.

I did look at the package, but - again - I will see him In Person and have the CD. The boot from that concert will mean more to me than the third disk.

Thanks for trying to rip me off Columbia. Haven't I been good to you?

Does Bob even want these out?

If you said "no", then is he indifferent?

They should release the bonus songs from the I-tunes Dylan collection.

Hi there, it wasn't my

Hi there, it wasn't my intention to take away from what you wrote. I enjoyed reading your review.

I've bought every album Bob Dylan has released, including a lot of titles in multiple formats. I'm certainly not complaining about paying him for his work.

The bs 8 deluxe package-- as a whole-- isn't necessarily a bad deal. Look what L&T and TOOM vinyl is going for on ebay... it's a descent buy, if you break it down piece by piece, the records, books, cd's.

And I do like records. I can imagine these records sound a lot better than the cd's, considering most of the songs were recorded on analog equipment.

It's a great idea to press this stuff on vinyl, and again, Dylan's limited press vinyl is highly collectible. And most new records today are $20 a piece anyway.

The Ratso book, of course, looks interesting. The picture book of singles is pretty ridiculous though, I mean, what do you do with it?

So anyway, not to run the risk of getting carried away... oh, too late... I just want to buy the 3 cd's. That's it. Why is this different than any other Bob Dylan official release?

He should just package the music at a reasonable price, for everyone who's paid up over the years, for all the people who appreciate his art... just sell us the music like you've done before.

I would never complain about paying Bob Dylan for his music. But I will absolutely steal the third disc-- without remorse, Bob and Sony can take the loss --because I want to hear those songs and not skip paying my light bill.

third disc

hi love monkey:

Thing is, I understand where you are coming from, but the third disc is not just the disc, it's the whole package that you get complete with a book (a thick book) of the covers for some of the best singles - 45s - both national and international and promo only, so this is fascinating, plus a good book as well by Ratso, which is interesting. It's really a personal choice. I understand where you are coming from -- the financial issue -- but I wouldn't want to rip off BD, etc by gettingit some other way. I wouldn't dare preach etc. - totally not my place, but I thought i'd let you know that there is more to the package than just a third disc (which is excellent, i think), but you get more than that plus the vinyl....

hope this helps...

and cheers,

s.

hey five:

it is nice to hear a letter signed God Bless.... reminds me of being little: my grandmother always said, "Goodnight, God Bless" and still does. Or when I hang up, it is "Goodbye, God Bless". It's interesting that this detail would be on a letter like that - I didn't get a letter w/ this copy b/c it is promo etc. but I'm glad to know about it.... so thanks : )

Yes, a letter would be most welcome.....!

Take good care and be in touch anytime,

s.

hey five:

it is nice to hear a letter signed God Bless.... reminds me of being little: my grandmother always said, "Goodnight, God Bless" and still does. Or when I hang up, it is "Goodbye, God Bless". It's interesting that this detail would be on a letter like that - I didn't get a letter w/ this copy b/c it is promo etc. but I'm glad to know about it.... so thanks : )

Yes, a letter would be most welcome.....!

Take good care and be in touch anytime,

s.

Hi

:-)

Can't Wait

I listened to Can't Wait on NPR and I agree about the sultry sound you said.

Is the pic of him for the single the one that everyone was talking about on Amazon for Dreamin' of You? If it is, that is an old picture from the 90's with a girl added into it. I will have to have a look when I get mine.

mine is on its way

Hey Sadie
Hey LoveMonkey below me!!!

I already ordered the deluxe version and the vinyl. Got my shipment letter yesterday. I can't wait to get them. You know they signed the shipment letter God Bless? Nice to see God not wiped out of every big business.

I owe both of you a letter!!!

I ain't gonna work on Sony's farm no more.....

Hey look, the price for the third disc is outrageous. It doesn't matter how good it is. I've never illegally downloaded a Bob Dylan official release. I will steal this third disc though. "But I've gotta be careful, I don't want to be forced into a life of continual crime..."