
So you want to know if it’s worth buying the boxed set Tell Tale Signs? Let me tell you now, it’s worth every penny and not simply for a die-hard Dylan fan, but if you don’t know bootlegs or like the rest of us until now, know the alternate takes of many of the songs (particularly from Oh Mercy) and some wonderful unreleased songs (ever), then you’re in for a real treat. Quite simply, buy it. Get it. This is worth the time and the money because it’s Dylan at his best, covering the 90s through the recent-present and before.
What this set makes clear, and that other discs have not done in quite the same way, is show us just how many different spins Dylan can give to the same song. We may hear it differently in concert, that’s true, so we know variants. We know how Dylan is a master of mixing it up, changing it about and so forth, and likely for his own amusement (I'd be bored playing the same tune night after night, so why not play a known song with a different take, right?) But what is interesting here is just how different a song like “Most Of The Time” sounds on one cut (particularly Disc One, cut number two).
This version is so totally different, so absolutely lovely, and, as I say, so absolutely everything that it just may beat out the album version, which for me is saying which a lot because I’m rather wedded to this song both musically and emotionally: then I heard the cut from Disc One and it’s the sweet harmonica and the clear sound of the acoustic guitar that truly makes the piece. How the two wed so beautifully here; a perfect match and compliment.
The rhythm I could not sort out because it is changeable (or seems to be to this untrained ear, perhaps). For the most part it stays in one plays, but it’s difficult to follow on the harmonica all the way through (at least the first few times, until you get the rhythm), so it’s not “obvious”. Regardless, it works exactly right. This is the song I listen to the most, but that too is changeable for me and likely will be for you to (unless you are able to pick a favorite Dylan song, which I personally cannot because this is so mercurial, depending on my mind and age and stage and more, what he may have recently released).
Dignity is another notable, of many, tracks and this one (as some others) appears more than once (again, I think I prefer the piano take because I have always loved Dylan on the piano as he is gifted there, no question).
I could go on and when I have had more time to listen to the entire album over the course of the coming days or week, then another review forthcoming, perhaps more of a summation of how the albums hang together and the experience on the whole (if you listen to all three, that is). A total non-sequitor, does anybody listen to a whole album these days? It seems more and more with the advent of iPods and iTunes and Windows Media Player and mixes and MP3s, that we most often listen to mixes, rarely to albums and songs within context, but that’s another article).
The packaging of the three-boxed set is beautiful and comes with an excellent brochure with liner notes (which I did not read for my own evaluations of the song, so I may agree or disagree, but always good to have two opinions at least). There is also a vinyl CD single available for Dreamin’ Of You with a tremendous cover photograph by Randee St. Nicholas. There is a woman on the cover with Dylan this time (who?). She may be a stand-in model or she may be a real love-interest, and this definitely crossed my mind. Regardless, music always sounds different on vinyl (richer, to my ear: CDs are almost too clean, as a friend recently pointed out).
The three-disc set comes with an excellent, rather deluxe reproduction of the most graphically interesting covers of singles (45s), some that were released, some foreign, and some that were for promotional or special event purposes only. Since has been with Columbia, Dylan has released over 1,200 singles and extended plays worldwide. The series began in 1963 with a promo sleeve for “Blowin’ In The Wind”. I should note here that the deluxe book of CD singles covers is beatiful but I can’t help but think as a writer and publicist about branding. Dylan himself is obviously the brand, at this point, but I did note that the songs that are listed are listed like this “Most of the Time” instead of the all-capped “Most Of The Time” as they appear on bobdylan.com and as written by him from what I have seen. Someone is not talking to someone here because there should be a continuity between how the songs are listed as they are proper titles and this will pose a small problem for scholars in the future who won’t know how to “properly” and accurately (as Dylan would wish) his song titles. So which is it, Mr. Dylan? All caps or some? Please set me straight on this because as a writer and member of the Fourth Estate I was taught one way to do headlines and I’ve learned another way from you and I want to be sure to get it right.
The range here is from good ole porch rockin’ music to some real and true couble-dancing ballads to straight rock n’ roll to country to folk to contemporary, the implied religious at times, the traditional ballad. You name it, Dylan can and has done it – something most musicians, contemporary and otherwise, simply cannot do. Many may be good at one or two things even, but to be good at almost all genre, is virtually unheard of. Dylan has called himself a “musical expeditionary” and how exactly he meant it, perhaps as a voyager and that is exactly what he proves himself to be on Tell Tale Signs.
On the beautifully produced vinyl CD single of Dreamin’ of You, against a night-blue background, a very protective cowboy-like Dylan (hat and all) appears with a dark-haired woman whose face is not fully visible. He seems to be looking out for the both of them, staring or glaring straight ahead as if out for trouble while she gazes doe-like, eyes cast downward. There appears to be a closeness between the two, but photographs can be deceiving and it would not be the first time Dylan appeared on an album cover with a woman he was not involved with: think Bringing It All Back Home (1965) with Sally Grossman, Albert’s wife, who appears in the background. On the flipside, there is the undeniable and iconic image of Bob and Suze Rotolo on the cover of Freewheelin’ (1963). Most of the other covers, the majority, feature an image of Dylan himself (as photograph or illustration), or simply text (Pat Garrett & Billy The Kid, 1973 and the “red album” as I’ve dubbed it, “DYLAN” , 2007). Other albums have featured graphic art, but again, by and large, it has been Dylan on Dylan.
None of this is to say that women who were not involved with Dylan did have not appeared anywhere on his albums. One need only look at the inside gatefold to Blonde on Blonde (1966) or the back-cover of New Morning (1970) or the montage on Desire (1976) and that’s all the albums I can think of now. I mention this minor factoid only because when I first saw the cover of the new single for Dreamin’ Of You, I thought perhaps this was a romantic interest (and given the ring I saw on his ring finger at the MGM Grand show through my handy binoculars (jewels and binoculars), I admit, it got me thinking could this be the she of all shes? But, ultimately, this is Dylan’s personal business. I for one, am curious about the woman on the cover yet I respect Dylan’s right private life. To be quite honest however, isn’t it provocative to put her on the cover in the first place and imagine that any writer worth his or her salt - any observer, is not going to wonder who she is? Yeah, right. It’s that push-pull play between fame and privacy and it’s a fine line to walk. Dylan does it well, but no doubt this is incredibly difficult. That we know as much about him as we do (or think we do) is somewhat startling, given the redirects and misdirects he’s thrown our way over the course of his career.
Overanalyzing is the sort of thing that Suze Rotolo says, and rightly, in her book “A Freewheelin’ Time”, that Dylan “fans” do too much of and that his work is put under a microscope (much to her amazement and amusement) – note: I’ll be reviewing Rotolo’s book very shortly, so if you want to keep an eye out, it will appear here and on Tant Mieux and the usual suspects.
I try not to over-think Dylan. I don’t think it’s necessary to examine or try to pick apart a Dylan song and, (big quotes), “analyze” his words as if any of us were qualified to do such a thing. More, doesn’t this very act take away from the enjoyment of the music itself? For me it does. As Rotolo says in her book and as I’ve long written the songs, the music exist for an emotional response (like any art). We live and we filter our own experiences through Dylan songs and in this way. By doing so, we validate and we redefine for ourselves, but in the final account, we do not define the song in and of itself.
But what about these three CDs and the vinyl and the book if you get the deluxe package (which I do recommend) – honestly, you really cannot go wrong. You may be wishing for bootlegs of some of the huge hits that are the standbys, but the thing about that is that most of those exist so prevalently on bootleg already that most of us have them. Who doesn’t have the “Judas” recording of Like A Rolling Stone? (Rhetorical question). The point is, the work here is different and fresh and gives us something to think about: many things, in fact. How hard it must be to “see” a song in myriad ways and know that how you play it, how you sing it, will make all of the difference in how it is received and interpreted: big decisions. That Bob has released some of what I consider here to be some of his best and previously unreleased work (much of it not available on any bootleg as they are alternate takes of songs or songs that were never before released officially or even unoffically a lot of them), then this is absolutely worth your time.
For quick reference, I’ve covered every song on all three CDs below with some brief notes following each entry and some quick and cursory (read: immediate) thoughts after only two listens. As time goes on and as I listen more, no doubt I’ll have other thoughts, but for now, this is what I offer up. Enjoy the tale – s.r.p., September 30, 2008
Disc I
Mississippi (Unreleased, Time Out Of Mind)
This is the first cut of the first CD and the guitar is excellent, so Dylan comes on strong. Here’s a song you’d sing on your front porch with some friends (no doubt, this will be added to our repetoire). A story in a song, some familiar phrasings that are oh-so-Dylan. This song appears three times on the boxed set, and all are quite different, which proves that Dylan can take one thing and twist it into something else in the most beautiful way. Nothing is ever just one way.
Most of the Time (Alternate Version, Oh Mercy)
A faster and acoustic version – totally different from the other smoother version, that has a great, yearning sound. This too is yearning, but more soulful in some ways and quite obviuosly not as produced or slick (and I say that but not perjoratively) because I always loved and love this song. Now, I’m loving this version more – but only likely because I’ve been listening to the other for so long. There are gems in this set – and surely, this is one of the brightest of the lot.
Dignity (Demo Version No. 1, Oh Mercy)
Also from the Oh Mercy session is a piano only and solo demo of Dylan singing a very dignified version of Dignity. This is listed as a “demo” take, and while I like other versions of the song I have heard, I would have to say that this is the best because the piano really creates the right atmosphere. It hits all the right notes, both literally and metaphorically.
Someday Baby (Alternate Version, Modern Times)
The other, the version we know of this song, has more pop and jazz to it and I like that. You think of the girl dancing on the iPod commericial and has that some real zip to it. = This version is good, but it has more spit to it, if you follow. One senses less fun here and the lyrics come to the fore more and because of this, there’s a litle bit of foreboding for the future… Someday, baby.
Red River Shore (Unreleased, Time Out Of Mind)
Here’s Dylan the chameleon apparent in the vocals. Here is our man with a semi-southern country accent, appropriate because the song is much like a country-ballad: a short-story in a song about a wanderin’ man (He’s been out where “the black winds roar”), but he never gets far with “the girl from the Red River shore.
Tell Ol’ Bill (Alternate Version, North Country Soundtrack)
This reminds me of Things Have Changed. Perhaps not the words so much (which granted, I haven’t had a chance to look at the lyrics yet for this song), but the sound of it is along a similar note, which is a good note. The song rambles a bit, but it’s a go-along song – one you want to ride with, maybe even drive to. Either way, it picks you up and carries you along with it like an incoming tide.
Born in Time (Unreleased, Oh Mercy)
This is lovely from the first few bars, and it’s a shame it wasn’t released on Oh Mercy, but then, every artist must make choices since you can’t fit everything – this I know from publishing poetry. The lyrics here – pure poetry. It’s a melancholy song about a relationship that comes and goes – and inherent therein, the problems of complicated relationships. But regret here… A lot of regret. It’s a laid bare song, and perhaps that is why it wasn’t included. Who can say. He’s released it now and I’m glad of it. Sometimes it helps to just let it out and certainly, if it’s something we can relate to, it helps us.
Can’t Wait (Alternate Take, Time Out Of Mind)
“In B Flat”, as a voice says at the beginning of the tape. Has a jazzy, dark sound. A late night sound. So it all adds up to make it sultry and with a bit of roughness around the edges, a combination Dylan has proven he can combine the heartbreaking and heartache in songs that sound happily humming along – “Up To Me” comes to mind.
Everything is Broken (Alternate Take, Oh Mercy)
I’m glad he still says “broken meear”. Dylan-aze is not spelled like “mirror”. Not in this dictionary. Enough has been said about this song, so there you have it.
Dreamin’ of You (Unreleased, Time Out of Mind)
I wrote a whole piece on this one, so you can find it on the site. An excellent song, with a lot of familiar lyrics, but see my review. There’s too much to fit into one single space here because certain lines are repeats from another song, so look for my piece on this.
<Huck’s Tune (from “Lucky You” soundtrack)
“When I kiss your lips, the honey drips, I’m gonna have to put you down for a while.” I can’t think of a sexier, yet still subtle, and truly achingly romantic line, although I am certain they exist in other of Dylan’s songs, this particular line just stands out immediately. The song has a country sound and sounds like love in a small town with a girl with “girlish charm.” Lyrical. “I tried you twice, you can’t be nice, I’m gonna have to put you down for a while.” How he means “put you down” is what keeps this interesting: it’s a play on words, a double-entendre that may mean something the first instance and another thing entirely in the second instance.
Marchin’ To The City (Unreleased, Time Out Of Mind)
Like a hymnal and this begins in a church (lyrically), where here again, he’s “lookin’ for nothin’ in anyone’s eyes”. It’s a slow bluesy number that again, combines grit and the rough stuff of life. This sounds Bluesy, religious-influenced, but not Gospel-like to me.
High Water (For Charlie Patton) (Live, 2003, no location given)
Rock n’ Roll to be sure. Not my favorite cut on this side, but good to get a crowd moving and I’m not surprised they picked a live recording of this. It gives the song more “ooomph”. It’s good, but to me, it lacks some of the grace of the other songs included in the boxed-set.
Disc II
Mississippi (Unreleased Version, Time Out Of Mind) *note a different cut of this exists on disc no. 1 as the first cut of the boxed set.
Another song about “time piling up”. A tell-it-like-it-is song from one man’s point of view or perhaps his tract. Indeed, tracts for the times.
32-20 Blues (Unreleased, World Gone Wrong)
Obviously, Blues and true Blues at that, foot-tapping and what I want to hear or play with my friends on the porch in the summer. Like any Blues song, this one has a story and it involves women, heartache, and some violence (here, guns). It’s a classic song in the Blues tradition, and as such, there is a story here that is fun to follow. The woman, of course, is the one who will get it here.
Series of Dreams (Unreleased, Oh Mercy)
This is more spoken than sang, but that’s somewhat true of any number Dylan songs. The sameness of this song made it difficult for this reviewer to really get into it. I wanted more variation than there is here. The lyrics, again, are outstanding (no surprise there), but the music hasn’t done them any justice. I can see what was supposed to happen here, but it just doesn’t come together right and ultimately, there isn’t enough variation to keep me interested.
God Knows (Unreleased, Oh Mercy)
Not what you think in the beginning. This isn’t a song about “God” per se. But more a song about someone who cannot be replaced. Religion may creep in here and there, but it’s a mix. There’s some relationship here and it’s optimistic and that makes me optimistic.
Can’t Escape From You (Unreleased, December 2005)
A ballad, that takes it’s cue from some of the older ballads of the fifty. In the lyrics, recurring themes of “bells” and “trains” which appear in many of Dylan songs (but here again, I’ve written about recurring words within any artists ouvre: I know that I’m guilty). One can see couples romantically dancing to this quite easily.
Dignity (Unreleased, Oh Mercy)
A boppier version of Dignity. The version on the first disc is superior, in my view. The Be-Bop doesn’t seem to suit the subject matter. No doubt it was fun to work with, but ultimately, this seems like a mismatch of music and lyric.
Ring Them Bells (Live at The Supper Club, 1993)
More bells – what’s nice about this is immediately, the guitar has a nice, clear, bell-like sound. Dylan himself has that nineties voice, not yet quite as husky as he sounds these days (by either design or necessity for he has always been a vocal stylist). There is some shouting in the background, but the sound is excellent. Just a little too much rah-rah in the background, in my view. Let the song speak for itself.
Cocaine Blues (Live, 1997)
As promised, a Blues song. You know the song well, most likely. It’s definitely about The Cocaine Blues – and as I said before of blues songs, it involves a woman and a shotgun.
Ain’t Talkin’ (Alternate version, Modern Times)
A good take and either would work on the album (now we have both), but either would stand solidly. This has a good firm, and forward moving sound, which makes sense given the lyrics. Here is a real mesh.
The Girl On The Greenbriar Shore (Live, 1992)
Such a beautiful acoustic song, and the sound here is crystal clear. Another story, but what are songs if not stories. What makes Dylan more of a poet is that not all songs by every artist are stories: this much is a real gift and Dylan has this in spades, as he’s proven time and time again. This could easily be a story in a book or a straight poem.
Lonesome Day Blues (Live, 2002, no location given)
This is the Dylan you know from these recent days in concert. He’s vital and sings this with verve. The band is excellent as is the sound quality here.
Miss The Mississippi (Unreleased, 1992)
Oh, the harmonica… This is really a beautiful song if you like a delicate, lilting harmonica, which is perfect for the song title. A slow song, once he begins singing, about returning home to Mississippi from the big city. Lyrics sound like a postcard, “Miss the Mississippi and you…” Just lovely.
The Lonesome River (with Ralph Stanley)
Country with fiddle in the background, this is fun and if you like country then you’ll really like this. It’s like a fun campfire song and you can see why it would be fun to sing as a duet, which is what Dylan does here with Ralph Stanley. It works very well and there are some excellent musicial solos for each instrument.
‘Cross The Green Mountain (From “Gods and Generals” soundtrack)
Probably the most intense song on this side of this CD in terms of lyrics (for the record, if you saw my recent article on Dylan’s eye logo, note that “eyes” feature in this song as well as the approx. 162 that I mention). Quite beautiful, but melancholy. What can one say? Bittersweet goodbye in some ways. Resignation and observation.
Disc III
Duncan & Brady (Unreleased, 1992)
This was originally published as “Brady” by Carl Sandburg in 1927 in his collection of folk songs. This song, the liner notes say, is from the Bromberg sessions. It moves along at a good clip and is, as the liner notes put it so aptly well, “brisk.”
Cold Irons Blood (Live, Bonnaroo, 2004)
This has some great raw power and Dylan comes charging out of the gate and here again, the lyrics are in perfect sync with the way Dylan wails it out as well as the power of the music.
Mississippi (Unreleased, Version No. 3, Time Out Of Mind)
Beautiful and probably the best version I’ve heard so far. Softer and more lilting, but this is beautiful. A little sadder than some of the others, but that is what lends this it’s quiet beauty.
Most Of The Time (Alternate Version No. 2, Time Out Of Mind)
Here I go again: This is one of my favorite songs, so it’s hard for me not to like any version, to be honest. This version is closer to the released version and totally different from the more acoustic version on the prior disc. This version too has a lot to recommend and is softer than the album version and doesn’t sound as produced or slick, which lends it a really melancholy sound and less of a “romantic” sound. Perhaps this is the one to have been on the album after all. Given the three I’ve heard so far, it’s hard to determine a favorite because they are all so different. This does include that marvelous bass line. It’s the inbetween what finally appears on the album and the other version on Disc I.
Ring Them Bells (Alternate Version, Oh Mercy)
Excellent piano playing here and that’s all Bob who shows his chops (as if we didn’t know). The lyrics stand out more in this version and for this reason, this and the clear piano, and the simplicity of the sound here, I’d have to pick this as a favorite take of this number.
Things Have Changed (Live, June 15, 2000, Portland, OR)
A true to the original live version. It’s slower, but that may add to it n some ways. Note that the liner notes point out that the Oscar on Dylan’s amp. that most of us have seen, is not the actual Oscar, but a replica. You know this song from “Wonder Boys” where it was wonderfully fitting with a terrific video with Tobey McGuire. There are times when it has been difficult, some have said, to recognize Dylan’s songs in concert because he mixes them up (the sound) although for the most part, I haven’t found that to be a problem (particularly if you’ve listened to a lot of bootlegs, you are used to the mixing up and can recognize pretty quickly). This cut, however, you won’t need to sort it out as it’s crystal clear.
Red River Shore (Unreleased, Version No. 2, Time Out Of Mind)
A Southern-sounding Dylan here as in the other out-take and the story remains the same. Both takes are good. This is slightly different and even a little New Orleans in there in the background music. The previous version on prior disc appealed to me more, but this is simply a different aesthetic.
Born In Time (Unreleased, Version No. 2, from Oh Mercy)
Different from the prior version on prior disc, this one is the better of the two. The guitars suit the lyrics and Dylan’s voice better here. The liner-notes that the definitive version perhaps has yet to be done: that may be true, but this one is in the right direction, if not the final. Amen.
Tryin’ To Get To Heaven (Live, October 5th, London, England)
A slow, slow version of this one with a quiet and contemplative guitar. Dylan sounds more mellow here and because of the slower-speed of the song, the lyrics are clearer (the sound on this bootleg is crystal clear for this show). A really great take on what I consider to be one of the “newer” classics.
Marchin’ To The City (Unreleased Version No. 2, Time Out Of Mind)
As opposed to the last version on the previous disc, gone is the Gospel sound and welcome a be-boppy version that jumps along jauntily. The music gives the song a whole different meaning – or seem to. It’s all about context.
Can’t Wait (Alternate Take Version No. 2, Time Out Of Mind)
As the liner-notes say, “This is the version you listen to at 3 a.m.” I can see that. The other version is sunrise. “Maybe for you it’s not that late…” Dylan sings, “But as for me, I don’t know how much longer, I can wait…” The song is slow and heavy as if weighted, and when he says “It’s got to end” you realize this adds to the entire weight of the song in every way. Weight matters lyrically as well as an instrumental heavy environment, so the slower and heavier music is perfectly suited.
Mary And The Soldier (Unreleased, World Gone Wrong)
This is from BD’s home studio. Like a number of Dylan songs, this song takes its cue from traditional folk ballads (think Dylan’s “Ballad In Plain D”, for starters). When I heard the first few notes, I thought of Donovan (Donovan!) because the guitar-style sounded a bit like that, but as the song moves on it becomes utterly Dylan spinning his own yarn. The guitar picking and playing are excellent (better than Donovan). It’s a nice note to end on… we’re still wandering, after all… or most of us anyway.
Thanks for reading,
s.r.p.
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Carmelo Ramón Barrios Sánchez
My "Tell Tale Signs" that I bought is a two CD box. I am with You for your critic to the other member. I don't like torrents, I don't like to rober music of musicians friends. It'll never pass for my mind don't pay my Bob Dylans albums.
My friend, I need the CD 3. Please, can You help me? Where could I get it?
Greetings from Canary Islands; Spain.
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Hello. I love very much "Tell Tale Signs" whole, but I am very exiting with "Someday Baby" and surprised a lot with the versions of "Dignity". I think this is an album that all fans must to got. Really a MASTERPIECE.
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american treasure
i love the new bootleg set, think i didint really get into dylan until i started picking up teh bootleg sets, guess its funny to me that dylans outtakes and "unreleasable" material is better then a lot of other artists premiere cuts. bob is an american treasure. over 45 years of consistently good music? how is that possible? sure hes had soem hits and misses, not ALL of its is great but most of it is, and at 66 hes still putting out great music ( modern times) say waht ya want ya cant take away the happiness hes brought to so mnay people w his music
Great Set: Outrageous Price
The deluxe version of "Tell Tale Signs" is fantastic! The third disc just as chock full of wonderful material as the first two. The alternate tracks are great, some will replace the album versions for me as the "definitive" versions ("Mississippi" in particular, when I can figure out which alternate I like the best). The unreleased tracks are welcome additions to the canon, and the live tracks are out of this world. The two books included are very good and hard covers at that. I could've lived without the vinyl single.
That said, it really is drastically overpriced. It would be a good value at $50 or so, but $100+? Way too much.
I hope Bootleg Volume 9 will be a live (multi-disc) collection of Bob and his current band! I love the new songs, and the new arrangements of the classics!
they should have a warning
they should have a warning lable
on the CD:
not 4 the faint of heart
Not Dark Yet But Getting There.
Tell Tale is a nice collection, reflective. While others aren't sure what to make of it, I'm simply glad it was made.
tell tale signs disc3
tell tale signs disc3 is free on the web
... It's a shame the way they make me scrub the floor...
You´re right. Dont BUY this three cd box. The masters of war have fixed the price! SHAME ON YOU.
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How old is Bob Dylan?
After listening to Tell Tale Signs I can not stop asking myself how old Bob Dylan really is. He changes his age with each song, in every concert, with every look... and any of his years has a lot more than four seasons.
Now here is Autumn and I have been walking along his rivers through these 3 records, and I am happily surprised to realise that, after all that rain, there is the rainbow that takes you to reach the stormy Dylan's planet, which is now in Springtime again.
Time is a mystery, so is Bob Dylan...
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I s'pose it 's a not easy to understand, 'specially if you think about it
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Hello Sadi, please to meet You. I am new in the Community and I don't know how I do for introduce myself and I choosed replyed to You. Well this is not a reply is a comment for the members know me. I am 40 years old and a Bob's fan since I was 13, when my english teacher played "Blowing in the Wind" in the classroom. I am waiting for my "Tell Tale Signs" via Mail and I am very surprised with this release. I wish all the fans enjoy the album.
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price
i intended to buy the 3rd disc but when i saw the price i was really put off. i got to work for my cash and they are askin a days pay. somethin wrong somwhere.
Just to put in a good word
Just to put in a good word about the folks who made the singles book.......
http://bookmarket.ning.com/profile/RareCoolStuff
"RareCool Stuff just completed conception, design, and eco-green printing/mfg of a limited edition photo book for Bob Dylan and Sony/BMG Music."
It's good that Bob is supporting small business, and I'm happy RareCoolStuff got the account, and I'm sure they've taken pride in putting the book together.
Sadi, it's been great talking with you as well. I'll be looking for more of your blogs and upcoming interviews here, and your books out in stores.
Now about the price.... OK I've said enough. Like Ian had mentioned, hopefully the 3rd disc will be available at a reasonable price, whenever......
AND... I'm all for celebrating the life and work of Bob Dylan! I can see him touring well into his 80's. It's good to be here while your making music, Bob, and I'll buy your next new cd if it's under $100!
Now I've gotta go do some illegal downloading.......
Tell Tale Signs
I wanted to add a positive reaction of this CD. I also heard a portion of the proceeds will be going to charity. So I bought two one for me and one for a present for my daughter. The special edition (one with the poster) is pricey but I thought a new piece of clothing this month or the thrid CD, I opted for the thrird CD. I will get much more use out of this than the new piece of clothing. This I can use each day if I like and will never go out of fashion. The music as well as the lyrics are diverse. He has done it again and I truly admire him for this. I will not give a blow by blow account as many people have already done this and very elogantly I might add. So I just say it is well worth the money. Sincerely Gail
Tell Tale Signs
Wow, there certainly is a lot of commentary to go around here. Don't know Sadi, but she's obviously a Bob fan like all of us, and I think it's great that we can all share our opinions.
I am picking up the CD today. Sans the controversey about the third disc and everything else, I say we celebrate the man and his music well we still can.
Sadi, rock on, and everyone, let's keep the conversation going and the music alive!
Dave
good car to drive after a war...
hey Love,
I don't blame u for wanting to buy ANYTHING at a reasonable price! damn! hey, i'm w/ you! You can buy the two disc set at a reasonable price (right?) I'm just nutty, so wanted the CD book and vinyl and the book by Ratso etc. but then, I own every damned bootleg of every show of all time and Eat the Document and the long long long Renaldo and Clara and you take it from there.... This is absolutely NOT bragging. Quite the opposite. I probably need some sort of support group, lol....
The Caddilac commercial is interesting to say the least. Phil Gounis, also a journalist and a brilliant guy (who I"ll be running a really interesting interview with here on this site and on my site as well, so look for that soon), he noticed the same thing I did. The woman w/ the dust blown up in her face and the hard rock music. It's just freakin' weird and I'm sorry, but I don't care and nor should I that Dylan makes a buck on iPod or Vick's Secret with Lovesick or Someday Baby. I work for all kinds of places myself and don't always agree with their politics etc. - that's true, I think, for all of us, so who are we to judge. We can't hold Dylan to some epic standard that we don't hold ourselves to, so you and I agree. And besides which, frankly, in my life and I speak for myself, he's make a helluva lot more of a difference thru his writing that I feel I have thru mine - maybe that will change. As a PUBLISHER I have made some dent by pubishing some great authors and will continue to - so that's what I do and I care very deeply about that. And as a poet, I know that my work has reached people and that is coming out (my second book, in FRance, UK, and US) in 09. I'm not going to be Dylan - but one hopes that you make some difference in the world, otherwise, you may as well quit and tell me, what is the point of playing the self-deprecating, "i suck i suck" game when others do that for you anyway? No point. So you and I are pretty much on the same page, but as usual, I'm digressing.
I thought the choice of music for the SUV commercial was interestng also; the whole thing just struck me as so macho and sorry, but sexist. and no shrill feminist I (feminist yes, but not shrill). You get the point. Anyone, like my friend Phil, on examination, found the commercial offensive and disrespectful.
Hey, make bux however u can. I'm all for it... But I see no need to disrespect anybody in the process. I"m not trying to be a pill here, but i think you have to draw the line somewhere. That's all.
As to the CD again - nobody holds a gun to anyone's head and says "BUY THE THREE CD DELUXE EDITION OR ELSE" - so it's personal choice and that's fine. It may be offensive to some, the price, but i've covered why it's as much as it is and I feel strongly that the price, given the complexity of the printing, is quite justified. Seriously and I'll stand behind that statement because publishing is what I do every day... books, etc. inside and out, from editing, through printed and final copies. I used to run a letter-press in my former boss's David R. Godine's barn! Amazing... such a trip and such an artform. BD should do a limited edition letter press book of a set of his lyrics: the best ones. About 60 pages or his poetry. You know, like five or three hundred copies, signed and numbered and the rest printed the regular way. The letter-press ones would be INCREDIBLE.
Lord knows, I'd run the press (as you likely know, a letter press is fed sheet-by-sheet, the type is set by hand and with tweezers), the rollers and hand-inked, and then you feed the sheet and handcrank the wheel to drive the paper thru while ur foot operates a pedal to keep it going. It's rather like a little ballet. I did a small letter-press piece (well, several) and they're incredible.... letter press work is collectible, worth the price b/c it increases in value, and is just a thing of beauty to behold and touch. It's not "just another book".
Anyway, i've gone on and on and I apologize. I like talking with you...
Be well.... and be in touch anytime,
Sadi
Check out the viva-pictal
Check out the viva-pictal process.......
http://rarecoolstuff.com/RCSvideo8001.html
I guess you were right......
And who knows what Bob's deal is? I honestly don't want to know. Apparently Larry Campbell once said there is no "why" in Bob's world.
It's interesting, the mythology that he's created, this world of Bob that is as enigmatic as the music itself... and as confounding.
Of course he said in M&A that sometimes it's about what things "don't mean". Look for the nightingale's code in the Dreamin' of You video... Bob's making this all up as he goes along... and maybe he just enjoys messing with people on occasion....
I just want to buy his cd's at a reasonable price!
And I'll have to watch that Caddy commercial again, to pick out what you and your friend are seeing there. Someone did tell me the music in the suv is by some modern band, hhmmm... I'm not sure, they're one of those new hard rock bands.
interestingly
... as you end, and rightly, he's "no-one's Messiah", and I quite agree. Tho some may argue otherwise. I agree with you. I don't think he wants to be anyone's Messiah. As to the Cadillac commercial, an interview I recently did which will be running here with Phil Gounis, we discuss that exact commercial and it rather annoys both he and I and confuses slightly for it shows Dylan in the car with the music playing ( I don't know the music: it doesn't seem to be his, is it? or am i wrong? sorry...), but in the ad, he drives off, tears out, quite literally spitting the dust in the face of a woman in the background... Now that just seems WRONG to me... What is that about?
Maybe I'm looking at it all wrong... But I'm just not feeling that. I'd rather he stick to what he knows - producing music, etc. and fine if he makes bucks w/ ads or whatever. I'd probably do the same thing, but when the ad is so so so disrespectful, I think, and to women, and I don't think it's nitpicky for Phi or I both to notice that and independently and maybe others noticed it too, then that is something right there. I mean, wtf are we to make of that? Anything? Nothing?
I realize this is a total non sequitor to anything we were discussing so is anodyne to the conversation, but your comment made me think of it, so there you have it....
Thanks for engaging in conversation.... it's always interesting... ; )
cheers,
s.
bootleg series vol 8
yes it is expensive but i reckon in a few months disc 3 will be able to buy as a seperate release
Thank you for sharing all
Thank you for sharing all that about printing and publishing, most of it was news to me. And I do tend to be somewhat argumentative. Again, it isn't my intention to challenge you personally, or somehow make a mockery of your review. I enjoy your writing.
And I think Bob is worthy of defending, especially online, where people have been known to complain about him. Hence, the apologist comment.
The bathrobes? All that stuff has an intrinsic value, so to speak, in so far as anything that says "Bob Dylan" might be worth more than something that doesn't.
I could have bought a plain silver zippo. I wanted one with a Bob Dylan logo. The book of singles isn't just full of expensive-to-produce colorful paper, it's full of Bob Dylan.
My contention here is with the complete BS8 series being sold as a package of items unrelated to the music; an expensive package that includes the elusive 3rd cd as a reward for buying a bunch of other "stuff".
And I don't think it's about the money. I think it's about Bob Dylan flipping everyone the bird. The records, cds, books, they could have all been sold separately. Especially the records. He could be selling the records at a premium.
And btw, I've almost talked myself into buying the package... because I want the records, but I'm resisting out of principal.......
IMHO the BS8 Series Deluxe is about Bob Dylan deconstructing his image. We should all realise he's no one's hero, messiah, or spokesperson. Personally, I would prefer it if he sold women's underwear or Cadillacs. Now excuse me while I go melt back into the night.....
money / publishing
publishing i do know - i don't know a lot or claim to, but the business of printing, that i do for a living, and like the scrapbook the singles book, my guess would be that it cost a lot to print and put together as did the CD (three CD) cover because of the die-cut involved. More if it was printed, for color purposes, overseas, I didn't check the packaging to see where it was printed. The best Italian printer is Mondeadori, they often do fine art books and complicated die-cut works. BD may have used Hong Kong, which does a lot of die-cut printing. It's harder to find die-cut printers in the US, tho I am sure they exist, I just don't know of any who do really complicted work like the Scrapbook, but again, I need to check who did the actual printing (not the publisher, but the *printing and the country of origin and what kind of press they used*). Thing is, for this kind of work, they usually need to use a single sheet-fed press, not a web-press, and that is very labor intensive. You may know all of this, in which case I apologize, because I mean no offense at all.
It's only that I have worked in publishing for my career as both a writer and a book publisher and so know everything from when a manuscript comes in over the transom to stuffing jiffy bags to running a letter-press, setting type by hand, sheet-feeding, hand-binding books (making books, seriously, because that's important to know how much effort goes into one book), to the fine art of spin and web design and usability. I also write books, but that's another matter entirely and like any author, when it comes to my *own* work I am totally unreasonable and suffer from "authoritis" and am not immune from the usual disease of needing to be hand-held thru the process etc.
But I don't mean to go off-point and I don't think I'm an apologist at all... how do you mean that? I appreciate ur other compliment tho... : )
But seriously, my review is very sincere. I've written about Dylan very honestly and agreed and disagreed w/ many things he has said. He once said that publishing was a "dignified and honorable" business. More so than the music business, he said. Absolutely not true, I wrote. You can see it on my site on Tant Mieux (link is on this site). Publishing is just as incestuous, just as corrupt, has just as many "groupies", just as much celebrity, etc etc, you name it, it's the same f-ing deal. I remember - I hate to date myself, but I was there in NYC in the eighties working for the larger houses and part of the whole freakin' scene and it was the same scene with the same people... same clubs, same people: lots of crossover: editors, musicians, all at Palladium's VIP room hanging out. I was THERE. So Dylan was wrong about that. HE may be treated differently w/ Chronicles and that's no surprise but then, he's Bob Dylan, so no wonder. Duh. I thought it rather, and surprisingly, naive of him to say that. But again, you can see my piece on that. So, I wouldn't say I am an "apologist". Or maybe I misunderstood. I dunno.
But back to printing - listen: I'm not arguing that one buy the three disc set. I'm simply saying that for what it cost them to print it, based on my cost estimate and print bids, they will break even IF people buy it. With the Scrapbook, I do not think they broke even b/c I saw it remaindered and was able to buy copies at a very steep discount and I did. That tells me that the remaindered copies did not sell and they did not recoup their money on that book: i don't have their invoices, am not privvy, so can't say for sure, but that's generally what it means when a book is remaindered. If I am wrong, someone in the *know* can correct me (officially in the know). I'd be glad of it.
But anyway Love Monkey, I'm not argumentative at all - so don't take it that way please - please please please - I just want to explain where I'm coming from here b/c I do know printing and publishing and I want to make it clear that IF one wants to understand the pricing for the set, it's really about the printing and packaging. Yes, you could buy a freakin' bathrobe or whatever, but now we're getting silly. Nobody needs that, you're right. And sure, nobody *needs* a book of the singles covers either, I suppose. But then, do I really *NEED* all of my original vinyl Dylan records when I have them on CD? Do NEED all of my original 45 singles? Do I NEED all of the bootlegs I have? Do I NEED Eat the Document? No, I don't. Do I NEED "Renaldo and Clara", etc etc. You get the point. Nope.
I don't "need" any of it. I want it. There's silly, and then there is what moves you and what is aesthetically pleasing and creates a real emotional response and to me, this book that comes with the set, is just a beautiful object. A bathrobe with an eyeball on it is stupid, likewise a coffeemug, etc etc. But my vinyls, my 45s, my bootlegs, etc and all of the above.... I wouldn't trade them for the world. Nor would I sell or give away any of the original articles from the sixties (original interviews in Rolling Stone, Playboy, etc etc, clippings, and so forth). It's all a question of what is meaningful to you.
A bathrobe branded Dylan is not meaningful to me. Let's not get silly. We both are older than that now.
In all respect....
s.
Some people rob you with a fountain pen
at least, the digital equivalent.
I guess it was getting late
I guess it was getting late when I made that last post. I was thinking of The Bob Dylan Scrapbook you mentioned, it includes a collectible paper doll.
And speaking of context, it's certainly fun and worthwhile to have some Bob Dylan stuff as mementos and keepsakes.
There's something for everyone, eye logo mouse pads, coffee mugs.
And truly, I like the idea of Bob deconstructing his image, and maybe defying the expectations people have built up around him.
But when it comes to the music, it should stand alone on its own merits. It should be be made available for sale as it always has been, without having to pay into some larger scheme. imho
I don't doubt the singles
I don't doubt the singles book cost a lot to put together. And if that's your thing... sure, there are certainly people who would enjoy owning it, ok. I don't know what anyone would do with it, but your right, it does look pretty cool.
There's a market for terrycloth eye-logo bathrobes, too. But Bob isn't asking me to buy one so I can get the third cd. On it's own, bs 8 deluxe isn't too overpriced- if you consider all you're getting. I completely agree with you.
But damn it all, I just want to hear disc 3. I want to buy it, on it's own, without any collectible Bob Dylan paper dolls or other potential clutter I don't want.
If you want to know the truth, I bought a zippo from the Bob store. That's where I'm at. At least it does something.
Anyway, you do seem like a lovely woman, and I have a lot of respect for Bob Dylan apologists. :-)
hey love
hi love -
how you feel is understandable. i have a lot of rare bootlegs and would even offer them to Sony etc. if they wanted to use some of them to put together some songs that are also excellent for a CD, which i proposed at one point - i'm sure you have a lot of the same bootlegs... but i think, tho one never knows, i have pretty much everything at this point. This is their "best of" and I really think it's truly excellent as a work and the book of forty five covers is just graphically really beautiful as an object. Maybe I've just worked in pubishing too long, but I see the appeal of it as a design book and as a work of art in and of itself, like any art book, graphic art. It's interesting to see the covers that range from promos to foreign editions etc. In terms of pricing, it's steep, esp. in this economy, but i will say that in defense, if one is needed, printing this sort of thing isn't cheap. There is a lot of die-cut work on the cover book, the printing is excellent, the booklet of the three CDs is also die-cut and having done art-books/graphic art books etc. I can tell you, t'aint cheap. It's really prohibitively expensive so the cost of goods has to be worth it at the end. It's like the Dylan Scrapbook, which must have cost a fortune to produce. I personally love that book as an OBJECT as well as a book, but that said, I sadly saw it on a remainder table for selling of a small fraction of what it was worth, so I don't know - maybe they took a loss on that book. I hope not. I totally get where anyone comes from given the cost - my only goal was to review it etc. I'm not here to push it and so forth, other than to give my honest opinion of it. That's it, and hopefully, help people make an informed decision w/ all the information that I have in front of me. But again, I can understand - tho, like you, I hate the idea of Bob not getting his due, but you make a valid point when you say that for many of us, we have been here all along buying his albums and CDs and books and etc etc. It's really an industry - concert tickets are really expensive as we all know... But I don't know anybody who works for free. His rate is the going rate pretty much and again, in terms of this one - Tell Tale Signs - i think the cost is so high b/c the cost of production was so very high. That's my take, anyway.....
Cheers, and keep well,
Sade.
Third disk
I wrote a blog about the third disk. I decided that it is a rip-off. I will see Bob live and have the two disk set for just as much as the "Limited Edition" set.
I wanted a recent bootleg album - but the only "Limited Edition" I should have picked up was LIve 1975 with the DVD.
My favorite songs - after listening to the NPR stream - are the songs that are "new". There more of them proportionally on the third disk.
I'll grab them on a torrent. If it was an additional $10-$20, you might have got me... but over $100! B.S.
I did look at the package, but - again - I will see him In Person and have the CD. The boot from that concert will mean more to me than the third disk.
Thanks for trying to rip me off Columbia. Haven't I been good to you?
Does Bob even want these out?
If you said "no", then is he indifferent?
They should release the bonus songs from the I-tunes Dylan collection.
Hi there, it wasn't my
Hi there, it wasn't my intention to take away from what you wrote. I enjoyed reading your review.
I've bought every album Bob Dylan has released, including a lot of titles in multiple formats. I'm certainly not complaining about paying him for his work.
The bs 8 deluxe package-- as a whole-- isn't necessarily a bad deal. Look what L&T and TOOM vinyl is going for on ebay... it's a descent buy, if you break it down piece by piece, the records, books, cd's.
And I do like records. I can imagine these records sound a lot better than the cd's, considering most of the songs were recorded on analog equipment.
It's a great idea to press this stuff on vinyl, and again, Dylan's limited press vinyl is highly collectible. And most new records today are $20 a piece anyway.
The Ratso book, of course, looks interesting. The picture book of singles is pretty ridiculous though, I mean, what do you do with it?
So anyway, not to run the risk of getting carried away... oh, too late... I just want to buy the 3 cd's. That's it. Why is this different than any other Bob Dylan official release?
He should just package the music at a reasonable price, for everyone who's paid up over the years, for all the people who appreciate his art... just sell us the music like you've done before.
I would never complain about paying Bob Dylan for his music. But I will absolutely steal the third disc-- without remorse, Bob and Sony can take the loss --because I want to hear those songs and not skip paying my light bill.
third disc
hi love monkey:
Thing is, I understand where you are coming from, but the third disc is not just the disc, it's the whole package that you get complete with a book (a thick book) of the covers for some of the best singles - 45s - both national and international and promo only, so this is fascinating, plus a good book as well by Ratso, which is interesting. It's really a personal choice. I understand where you are coming from -- the financial issue -- but I wouldn't want to rip off BD, etc by gettingit some other way. I wouldn't dare preach etc. - totally not my place, but I thought i'd let you know that there is more to the package than just a third disc (which is excellent, i think), but you get more than that plus the vinyl....
hope this helps...
and cheers,
s.
hey five:
it is nice to hear a letter signed God Bless.... reminds me of being little: my grandmother always said, "Goodnight, God Bless" and still does. Or when I hang up, it is "Goodbye, God Bless". It's interesting that this detail would be on a letter like that - I didn't get a letter w/ this copy b/c it is promo etc. but I'm glad to know about it.... so thanks : )
Yes, a letter would be most welcome.....!
Take good care and be in touch anytime,
s.
hey five:
it is nice to hear a letter signed God Bless.... reminds me of being little: my grandmother always said, "Goodnight, God Bless" and still does. Or when I hang up, it is "Goodbye, God Bless". It's interesting that this detail would be on a letter like that - I didn't get a letter w/ this copy b/c it is promo etc. but I'm glad to know about it.... so thanks : )
Yes, a letter would be most welcome.....!
Take good care and be in touch anytime,
s.
Hi
:-)
Can't Wait
I listened to Can't Wait on NPR and I agree about the sultry sound you said.
Is the pic of him for the single the one that everyone was talking about on Amazon for Dreamin' of You? If it is, that is an old picture from the 90's with a girl added into it. I will have to have a look when I get mine.
mine is on its way
Hey Sadie
Hey LoveMonkey below me!!!
I already ordered the deluxe version and the vinyl. Got my shipment letter yesterday. I can't wait to get them. You know they signed the shipment letter God Bless? Nice to see God not wiped out of every big business.
I owe both of you a letter!!!
I ain't gonna work on Sony's farm no more.....
Hey look, the price for the third disc is outrageous. It doesn't matter how good it is. I've never illegally downloaded a Bob Dylan official release. I will steal this third disc though. "But I've gotta be careful, I don't want to be forced into a life of continual crime..."